HISTORIC
DISTRICT COMMISSION
Judge Welsh
Hearing Room
Members Present: Steven
Bergquist, Polly Burnell (arr 4:00p), John Dowd (arr 3:40p), Marcene Marcoux,
and Carol Neal.
Members
Absent: Nathan Butera
and Clo Tepper
Staff: Matt
Mulvey (arr
The
meeting was called to order at
Work
Sessions
Deb
Paine said that she had received an e-mail about the Chapter 91 license of this
property. The state wants a public right
of way down to the beach. "Poor
Richards" has already donated land from the beach for an outdoor art
gallery. An attorney called the DEP in
October and they said they had changed their minds and the DEP cited all kinds
of conditions that are ridiculous. To
put a public right of way down the middle of the property is absurd. She’s asking the HDC to write a letter to the
DEP saying that public access down the middle of the property is
ridiculous. There is a 5 ft right of way
one door up from this property. Deb is
quite emotional about this property; it has elderly owners who are distressed
by the latest rulings of the DEP.
Carol
Neal asked to whom the letter should be addressed. Marcene Marcoux would like more
information. Deb said that she would be
happy to meet Marcene down there and walk her through - point by point. The artist’s area is in front of unit 10.
Yuriy
Litvinov, the contractor, said he'd like to remove a non-operating chimney from
a two-story cottage on the property. He
also said that the windows are rotting and need to be replaced. John Dowd said that for the historical
integrity of the town, you have to leave the chimney from the roof up. Yuri understood and said, "So I’ll just
make a fake one, O.K.?"
Motion: Approval with the following conditions:
1.
Replacement windows must be 2 over 1 with factory applied muntins.
2.
Pretend chimney above the
roofline must have narrow joints.
Motion: John Dowd Seconded: Carol Neal Vote: 4-0-0.
191A
Sean
Cowing said he wants to remove and replace existing deck; also enlarge the deck
by two feet.
Motion: Accept as proposed.
Motion: John Dowd Seconded: Carol Neal Vote: 4-0-0.
102A
Elizabeth
Gabriel Brooks returned to the HDC, once again.
She needs a balcony because smoking isn’t allowed in the rooms. She asked, "Can we keep the gable and
behind there put in a teeny tiny deck?"
"If that is not approved, perhaps a tiny window?"
After
a great deal of verbal sparring, the following decision was made. This large a change would have to be noticed
out. The following motion resulted:
Motion: Approve the French door along with the deck
but posts must be put in to support it instead of having it cantilevered. Also the detail is to match the one that is
in the rear.
Motion: John Dowd Seconded: Marcene Marcoux Vote:
4-0-1 ab (PB)
This
property was not on the agenda but was presented under Administrative Review
anyway. Glen Parker said he had several
detailed clarifications and one revision.
Glen's assistant had a myriad of plans that were handed out.
Motion: The plans as submitted are approved.
Motion: John Dowd Seconded: Marcene Marcoux Vote:
5-0-0.
Public
Hearing
2007-17 (Continued from
Application
by Neal Kimball on behalf of Michael Leger for a Certificate to be issued in
accordance with the Provincetown Historic District Commission established under
the General By-Laws, Chapter 15 of the Town of
Motion: Accept the request to withdraw the
application without prejudice.
Motion: John Dowd Seconded: Carol Neal Vote:
5-0-0.
2007-18
(Continued from
Application by Neal Kimball
on behalf of One Tremont Street Realty Trust, David Martin, Trustee for a Certificate to be
issued in accordance with the Provincetown Historic District Commission
established under the General By-Laws, Chapter 15 of the Town of
John
Dowd stepped down since he is an abutter.
The new plan presented by the new owners, Thomas W. Fielding and M.
Scott O'Connor, called for living quarters above the liquor store that is
housed on the first floor.
(The
former owner, David Martin, had an approved plan that had the second floor
being used as a storage area for the store.)
Neal
Kimball said that the plan was originally going to be a 2-story structure but
after one meeting he reduced it to a 1-1/2 story structure. The new owners wish to live on the 2nd
floor. Neal further said that we raised
the roof about 12 inches from what you originally approved. A 24.8 ft overall height was originally proposed… and now 25.10 is being asked for. Neal Kimball feels it’s a subtle increase.
Public Input….
Roxanne
Pires, an abutter, said she was very much against this project. It’s a liquor store and she didn’t feel it
was living space. The first plan called
for storage on the 2nd floor.
Where will trucks unload, etc.
Neil
Toelle said that other than the massiveness of it, he thinks it’s an
improvement. He has mixed feelings about
the proposed balcony. A friend of Neil
Toelle's said he also feels it’s an improvement.
Bob
Hendricksen suggested that the HDC take a look at power lines that run down
close to the building. The building that
was there originally didn’t have a basement and now they raised it higher than
it was before. He, like Roxanne, is very
opposed to the plan.
Public
comments were closed.
Carol
Neal was not in favor of the increase in the building. Polly Burnell agreed; it's too massive for
the corner. Marcene Marcoux said she’s
really against the increase in height.
She would stick with the plan they had before. "We’re dealing with a small building
that has already grown." Steven
Bergquist said he doesn’t feel the covered porch is appropriate and would stand
by the existing height on the former case.
He cited 9B by-law and it’s on a very busy corner.
Neal
Kimball then began arguing with the HDC and he wants to do a comparison with
what’s there. All the other buildings
that are around the liquor store are at least two stories. He feels this is the most subtle of
options.
Steve
Bergquist, the newest member of the HDC said, "This drawing is not
scaleable - what are the measurements of that porch? There are no dimensions."
After
the comments by the HDC, the following motion was made:
Motion: Continue the case
Motion: Polly Burnell Seconded: Steven Bergquist Vote:
4-0-0.
2007-20
Application by Red Clay
Properties, LLC on behalf of James Watkins and Dave Krohn for a Certificate to be
issued in accordance with the Provincetown Historic District Commission established
under the General By-Laws, Chapter 15 of the Town of
Carol
Neal stepped down.
David
Krohn, one of the owners, asked for relief from the demolition delay bylaw. One
of the buildings is 47 years old and the other is 60 years old. They have been used mostly as summer rentals. They’re cute buildings but they aren’t
significantly historic.
Polly
said the buildings are historic because many young artists moving to town were
housed there. John Dowd doesn’t feel
that they are historically significant.
Marcene
said it really needs a site visit. John
Dowd said - "Is this something that we want to preserve?" He continued that these are the worst kinds
of designs and are cheaply fabricated buildings. This is nothing that we should preserve as a
Board.
After
seeing pictures of the proposed new buildings, Steve commented, "So it’ll
look like a continuation of the Moors complex?" David K said he is trying to create a
landscaped look. Painting a great word
picture of what he wants. He has enjoyed
support from the LHP and John Ryan, the affordable housing guru.
Marcene
said she would like Matt Mulvey to see the condition of the buildings and also
the HDC should see it. Polly and John
disagreed with Marcene. John said - and another thing – we’re sitting here and we
should be thinking about what the community at large wants us to do.
Motion: Allow the demolition of the two buildings
without the 6 month delay.
Motion: John Dowd
Seconded: Polly Burnell Vote: 3 in favor, 1 opp (MM) and 0
abstentions.
2007-21
Application by Gerald Ragucci
and Robert Foster for a Certificate to be issued in accordance with the Provincetown
Historic District Commission established under the General By-Laws, Chapter 15
of the Town of
The
two above mentioned owners said they purchased the property for two reasons:
1. to get out of the corporate
world; and
2. because the building needs a
lot of help.
They
then presented the revised plans for the 1st floor – a retail floor
– they want to do it all over with 2 over 2 windows. There’s a 2-story deck in the back that is
totally deteriorated. They intend moving
it back on the property – in deference to the adjacent church and will maintain
the same footprint. The shop will be
"high-end" furniture and will be called Chadwick's of
The
building began life as a Greek Revival and then it became Victorianized. They were told that they can think of 6 over
6 OR 2 over 2 windows. Either of those
choices would be approved.
Matt
Mulvey asked if they had looked at what they are spending on the building? Answer:
We just applied for the permit that says under a $1K. Matt said that there is a possibility that
the front of the building might have to be made handicap accessible. The
Motion: Accept the plan as proposed.
Motion: John Dowd Seconded: Polly Burnell Vote:
5-0-0.
Case No. 2006-21 -
Motion: A time extension was granted until
Motion: Carol Neal Seconded: Steven Bergquist Vote:
5-0-0.
Cemetery Shed
A
plan came in to build a new shed for the
After
a little more discussion the following motion was made:
Motion: The shed will have no cupola, the peak of the
shed will have to be centered, with a standing-seam roof, walls should be all
shingled that will be allowed to age to the silver color. Garage door should be plain with nothing
fancy. Also a metal roof since it's a
utilitarian type building. John Dowd
will mark up the plan in order that it may be presented to Father Dahl defining
what is appropriate.
Motion: Polly Burnell Seconded: John Dowd
Vote: 4-0-0.
Hal
Winard came in to Matt Mulvey with a proposal.
He wants to relocate egress stairs.
Matt had an old picture of the property and it did have a deck. There is only one apt on the 2nd
floor but it has two doors. Hal came in
this morning and wondered if the HDC wanted a full-blown hearing. Matt said he'd handle the case. The deck is O.K. – keep stairs to left of
door – or to rear.
Minutes
Motion: Accept the minutes of the January 17th
meeting as amended.
Motion: Polly Burnell Seconded:
John Dowd Vote: 4-0-0.
Motion: Accept the minutes of the March 7th
meeting as amended.
Motion: Polly Burnell Seconded:
John Dowd Vote: 4-0-0.
Motion: All decisions will be made at the time of the
meeting.
Motion: Polly Burnell Seconded:
John Dowd Vote: 5-0-0.
Discussion on Election of
Officers
Once
again this subject was not touched upon.
THE
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 6:45 P.M.
Respectfully
submitted,
Evelyn Gaudiano
E. Rogers Gaudiano
Approved by _____________________________ on ____________, 2007.
John Dowd, Chair